Again wrong destination

[fabrytnix]

As posted before: in some destinations: WSSS VABB PANC etc. fsp doesn't detect correctly the destination.
You can easely check this, placing the plane in those airports: FSP will put NONE or another airport in the departure airport.
I've read that is a problem of afcad files, I was thinking that was a problem of add-on afcad, no is also a problem of default afcad files.
BUT other add-on as fs flight tracker detect perfectly those airports so this is not an afcad files bug BUT is a FSP
wrong way to detect airports.
Obiovsly this bug must be corrected, if you don't correct this error I'll pretend that you declare that your software is not working in all MSFS airports
And be carefull, because you have not declared this before, when many people have bought your software.
I'm a bit fed up about false declarations of incoming patches I hope that last one will be sincere and definitive.
Reguards
Fabrizio Maffioletti



Post Edited ( 06-14-06 10:47 )

[Drew]

fabrytnix wrote:
As posted before: in some destinations: WSSS VABB PANC etc. fsp doesn't detect correctly the destination.

Correct, posted so many times its getting boring

You can easely check this, placing the plane in those airports: FSP will put NONE or another airport in the departure airport.

incorrect, all depends which gate you park at, and if that gate is closer to the centre of another airport - as posted many times before

I've read that is a problem of afcad files, I was thinking that was a problem of add-on afcad, no is also a problem of default afcad
files.

there is no 'problem' if people manage to follow the directions within the FAQ

BUT other add-on as fs flight tracker detect perfectly those airports so this is not an afcad files bug BUT is a FSP
wrong way to detect airports.

maybe they use a different way of finding out the airport. FSP use's the GPS nearest airport

Obiovsly this bug must be corrected, if you don't correct this error I'll pretend that you declare that your software is not working in all
MSFS airports

Im sure it would be corrected, IF there was actually a bug

And be carefull, because you have not declared this before,

I have declared many times before that people should read the FAQ and follow what they say, but do people listen




the FAQ
http://fspassengers.com/?action=faq&question=46

a post where i explained it all (with a nice pretty picture so everyone can understand )...
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/showth...9#pid62559



Post Edited ( 06-14-06 18:29 )

[fabrytnix]

read on 2nd sticky
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No this isnt about where to get the cracked or an illegal copy of FSP, but if you have considered it, please take a few minutes to read all
the way through. This is a hope that they may read this before considering trying to install FSP from a website without actually purchasing
it legitimately. This thread is also for those who think FSP is too expensive...

Lets start off with why am I posting this.

If you have read through the forums here, and on various websites you will see the level of enjoyment many have gotten from
FSPassengers. Many who have tried the demo wind up buying the software because it really is that good (I personally have spend
thousands...yes thousands of dollars on payware additions from utilities, to aircraft, to sceneries, etc). For those that have felt what FSP
offers was lacking in the flight sim, its now available. Airlines...reasons to make that perfect landing....failures that actually mean
something and make the flight dependent on your skills, making money, buying newer or better aircraft, basically immersing yourself into
the sim rather than just flying around from point A to point B. FSP adds A LOT to your experience.
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From A to B?

Legal? what is really legal?
"May be" a software (for witch you ask money) that work good in every part and feature
What is honesty? "may be" to mantain the promises about patches and corrections.
IIt seems you have a strange point of view about honesty and legality
Mr.Drew, if you like, feel free to answer, but I'm not intrested about "spokesman's" answers



Post Edited ( 06-14-06 21:33 )

[Drew]

fabrytnix wrote:
"May be" a software (for witch you ask money) that work good in every part and feature

Which FsP does

Mr.Drew,

Just Drew to people who dont know me. Mr Drew is for those privileged

if you like, feel free to answer, but I'm not intrested about "spokesman's" answers

PUBLIC internet forum??? and your not interested in answers? Why post on a forum if you dont want anyone apart from 1 person to
answer?

Surely a Pm or an Email would be more appropiate.



Post Edited ( 06-15-06 07:45 )

[DanSteph]

All is explained in the FAQ:
http://www.fspassengers.com/?action=faq&question=46

FsPassengers simply ask Microsoft flight simulator's GPS "what is the closest airport now ?"
if the answer is wrong this maybe a problem with Scenery or another airport being closer from you...
anyway did you tried what's in the FAQ ? IE: open the GPS ans see what Microsoft's GPS consider
is the closest airport ? Perhaps this would have solved your problem.

In brief if there is a bug it's not in FsP code. I cannot correct third party scenery error or force you to
the correct location.

FsP push feature of MSFS far beyond what was possible and far beyond any FS Add-ons have done until now,
this was the result of 14 month hard work and from the advice of the majority it work well with a minimum flaw
and bring a lot of enjoyment, in brief it worth largely the price I didn't stoled anyone. The fact that you was one of the first
to buy it and that you're still using it after 11 month let me think that this add-on bring you what you where expecting
for the modest price of 2.90 euro per month wich doesn't seem dishonnest in any way as you seem to think.

All software in the world have limitation even those that are priced thousand euro cannot wash your laundry
and cook dinner. For the price of only one dinner at restaurant FsP have also its limitation: the airport detection
is made by the GPS of microsoft wich seem a correct way to do this and you have to deal with this for the rare
case where it might cause problems.

Now instead of being rude and write menace and even insults against moderators wich do a great work here for free
I would appreciate that you try what's in FAQ and give what the GPS return so we can help you to workaround your problem.

Regards,

Dan



Post Edited ( 06-15-06 04:01 )

[ILikePlanes]

Drew,
I think he was saying he isn't interested in your answer and saying that you are a spokesman...

[Drew]

Looks that way doesn't it Matt

though if he bothered to even read my reply, his problem would be solved

[fabrytnix]

DanSteph wrote:
All is explained in the FAQ:
http://www.fspassengers.com/?action=faq&question=46

FsPassengers simply ask Microsoft flight simulator's GPS "what is the closest airport now ?"
if the answer is wrong this maybe a problem with Scenery or another airport being closer from you...
anyway did you tried what's in the FAQ ? IE: open the GPS ans see what Microsoft's GPS consider
is the closest airport ? Perhaps this would have solved your problem.

In brief if there is a bug it's not in FsP code. I cannot correct third party scenery error or force you to
the correct location.

FsP push feature of MSFS far beyond what was possible and far beyond any FS Add-ons have done until now,
this was the result of 14 month hard work and from the advice of the majority it work well with a minimum flaw
and bring a lot of enjoyment, in brief it worth largely the price I didn't stoled anyone. The fact that you was one of the first
to buy it and that you're still using it after 11 month let me think that this add-on bring you what you where expecting
for the modest price of 2.90 euro per month wich doesn't seem dishonnest in any way as you seem to think.

All software in the world have limitation even those that are priced thousand euro cannot wash your laundry
and cook dinner. For the price of only one dinner at restaurant FsP have also its limitation: the airport detection
is made by the GPS of microsoft wich seem a correct way to do this and you have to deal with this for the rare
case where it might cause problems.

Now instead of being rude and write menace and even insults against moderators wich do a great work here for free
I would appreciate that you try what's in FAQ and give what the GPS return so we can help you to workaround your problem.

Regards,

Dan

Not at all.
If you won't use the word "bug" I'll use" wrong analysis".
The philosophy of your sofware has a basical concept, the arcade event begins from A and ends at B.
If A or B are not correctly detected, all fall down.
You have a wrong way to detect airports, this way doesn't certify that dep or dest are correctly detected.
You must correct this analysis error, because there is a way to detect dep and/or dest. without probability. of error.
I see, for instance, 2 solutons:
build a database of airports coords (DAFIF has it already builded)
or
may be better, build a database of runways coords (fDAFIF has it already builded)
manage a gap from those coords (verified in beta test) with a parameter value, put that value in more_option, so people can manage it if lt like
Make a documentation that it explains how to change those coords if some scenery is wrong
If the database is a text file, people can edit it without software windows interface and you save time of devlopment..
Reguards



Post Edited ( 06-15-06 09:41 )

[JayKae]

hmmmm and those solutions would be ? Elaborate and be precise please, because we are DYING to know

[fabrytnix]

JayKae wrote:
hmmmm and those solutions would be ? Elaborate and be precise please, because we are DYING to know

Elaborated and edited above



Post Edited ( 06-15-06 10:19 )

[Enzo]

Obiovsly this bug must be corrected, if you don't correct this error I'll pretend that you declare that your software is not working in all
MSFS airports
And be carefull, because you have not declared this before, when many people have bought your software.

I am very happy with this software, its price (one small dinner at a restaurant) and its great support!!!
...back into the pilots seat...

[JayKae]

Hang on, you want to replace one unreliable source that FsP has to read from ( Microsoft Simulator 9 GPS ) with another unreliable
source (fDAFIF) ?? What good is that going to do ? The "errors" will increase exponentionally because users can then actually edit their
own coordinates and make/get even more mistakes. I do not see the point, sorry

[fabrytnix]

JayKae wrote:
Hang on, you want to replace one unreliable source that FsP has to read from ( Microsoft Simulator 9 GPS ) with another unreliable
source (fDAFIF) ?? What good is that going to do ? The "errors" will increase exponentionally because users can then actually edit their
own coordinates and make/get even more mistakes. I do not see the point, sorry

You don't like?
No problem
The problem is that you have to resolve
Reguards



Post Edited ( 06-15-06 10:30 )

[JayKae]

No, I do not like because your "solution" is nothing better than the original issue at hand ( Microsoft Simulator 9
DEFAULT GPS ) the
problem that you state is ours I quote

The problem is that you have to resolve

is as a matter of fact not ours to solve. The way FsP calls the data from FS9 has to be done from a default point of
view, we cannot ask
users to download certain other programs or additions, first of all that would not be fair to the users and second of
all it *could* bring
legal issues in the future. Saying all of that, us *having* to resolve an issue that is not our issue to resolve is going
to be one heck of a
job I can tell ya that much for nothing. I won't say that the issue you have spoken about has never happened to me,
so I won't say

Now, if you can change your tenure and tone a little bit, it would be really appreciated. I hope you understand what
we are trying to say to
you because it seems that every single time this issue has been explained to you, you seem to revert back to "us
having to fix" an issue
that is non existent in FsP.

[DanSteph]

fabrytnix wrote:
If you won't use the word "bug" I'll use" wrong analysis".

I'll welcome with pleasure any degree you have in programming and MSFS mastering
to juge this.

fabrytnix wrote:
The philosophy of your sofware has a basical concept, the arcade event begins from A and ends at B.
If A or B are not correctly detected, all fall down.

Howe much flights do you flown how much wrong dest did you get ? if you don't use airport "penalty"
wich is optionnal nothing fall down.

fabrytnix wrote:
You have a wrong way to detect airports, this way doesn't certify that dep or dest are correctly detected.
You must correct this analysis error, because there is a way to detect dep and/or dest. without probability. of error.

probably it work on 97% of 30'000 airports of MSFS doesn't seem too bad for a wrong way
also getting detection that count for point in report is optionnal.

fabrytnix wrote:
I see, for instance, 2 solutons:
build a database of airports coords (DAFIF has it already builded)

And ? what if two airports are close wich is the source of error with GPS ?
Same problem... if at landing you're closer from the center of a small airport
near the one you intended to land you'll have exactly the same issue.

fabrytnix wrote:
manage a gap from those coords (verified in beta test) with a parameter value, put that value in more_option, so people can manage it if
lt like Make a documentation that it explains how to change those coords if some scenery is wrong

if they are exported "as they are" with a utility you're back to problem #1.
I hope you don't expect us to test the 30'000 airport one by one ?
Solution is to eliminate small airport in this case those airport would
not be detected at all.

I tested VABB and WSSS by a strange coincidence there is a small airport really
close to them wich is exactly the problem we try to explain to you since the start.


Dan