Buying FSPassengers

[rushlink]

Hi,
I'm not here to say that FSPassengers is bad or anything, but i think that $40 is a little expensive. I would buy it, if it was $10-$15, and i
really like the program. Just wondering if you guys could consider the price a little. Maby it would help, if 'dan' (i think that's the owner) would
hire someone else, or a joint ownership, and start developing other FS add-ons, through those other add-on's, more money might be generated, bringing
the price of FSPassengers down? I have asked about 20 people if the like the program, and they all said 'it's great' (or something like that), and i
said 'would you buy it' and they all said 'no' (some said they would, if it was $20, and others said $10. I think that if the price was lowered,
there would be more buyers.

I really don't know hoy many purchaces you get a week, but i do know that you'd pbly get more if you lowered the price.

I was a previous manager of the computer shop in town, and i saw something similar before...
We had only a few products, and we where told by many
customers that they where over-priced, or not worth the value. So, we developed 3 new products and kept those prices low. We made more profit of
those 3 products, in a week, than we had of the 5 we previously had, in a month! So, we lowered the prices, and our sales almost 'shot through the
roof'. I left, when the owner, and one of the managers of the store where involved in a car accident, comming home from lunch - they both died, then
i started working for IBM, the store closed down a year later.

Well, thanks for reading. (if you havent read it, please don't reply, untill you've read it all - it gets annoying sometimes).

~Rushlink



Post Edited ( 05-06-06 02:28 )

[Full_Throttle0]

well i agree with you to a point, dan needs to make a profit, how bout next week, dan, 25% off discount? its a special

[aibiria]

well, well, well
how i hate this kind of suggestions


First of all, I don't think that $40 are that much money.
Lets say $40 are 20 Great Britain Pounds or 30 EUROS.

Still not that expensive. If you think about all the work is involved on fsp design i would say its pretty cheap. Any addon on the market is
about that price. I spent lots of pounds in addons and I don't think they are expensive. Basically, A cost of an addon is what i spent in a
dinner with my girlfriend.

So what is really what you are calling expensive?
Expensive is Microsoft windows xp. 100 quids for a bloody OS. Thats expensive

$40 is ridiculous and i don't think Dan is losing customers

This people help you a lot, the support fsp gives you, the endless hours dan spend on this forum, all that work for only $40???

Nah... Ridiculous

Anyways, you must think as well of all the piracy is going aroung, edonkey, etc. All the customers dan is losing because of the black
market...

We don't complain about that, do we?

We don't complain about the $30 that Basic Instinct 2 will cost on dvd.


We complain about a such small addon like fsp by calling it overpriced.

STILL ridiculous


fsp has revolutionated flight sim and I STILL say:


ITS ACTUALLY TOO CHEAP TO BE TRUE




PS: Don't anyone get offended please

[aibiria]

by the way, all the addons you find in simmarket for $10 are really crappy my friend. Just have a look around and, afterwards, you tell me

[Boston234]

I have used FSP for almost every flight for the last few months...Over 175 hours. So for me, 40 dollars/175 hours = less than 23 cents an
hour.

We all make decisions as to what we want/what we are willing to pay, etc. If you think 40 is too much for FSP, then you shouldn't get it.

For me, I think FSP is an essential add-on for FS9...thank goodness I can afford to get things that I don't really need, ie, FSP, payware a/c
once in a while.

By the way, FSP is free if you fly out of the SF area.

I have an excellent idea. Why don't you take a year out of your life, and make FSRIDERS, and sell it for 1 dollar! Whooo...I will buy it, heck I
will buy 3 copies! Please send me an email when it's done. Can't wait. Then maybe people can say "heck, if it was only .50 cents, I would
buy it. But 1 dollar is too much"

[ivo]

Also, it wouldn't be fair to the people who bought it for $40 the week before. If you want to buy it, then do so. If its too expensive, there are
cheaper addons.

[rushlink]

To be honest, I've never really looked into buying an add on (the only one, was squakbox, which i got for free from a friend), for Flight Sim. But,
for a years of coding, he could have bught a game engine, and made a large portion of a flight simulator. - One of my friends, tried to build his
own game engine, it was getting pretty good, when he realized that he couldent make the modeling programs for it - well, the way that we modelers
wanted it.

I think that i bught Flight Sim 9 for $10.50, in a shop down the road, but i'd have to check - it was no more than $20.

I hope you see my point.



About the black market stuff, i didnt think that you could use codes from warez sites (dosent it say that in the FAQ?). If there is still stuff like
that going around - that works, maby we could all get togeather, and work on a new security system. I'll think about that tonight, and post something
in the morning (I'm MST zone - 10:40pm atm.)

Are there any other coders other than Dan? I don't want to be throwing everything at him here. But more 'in flight' interaction would be nice. (it
is kinda boring flying KSFO>YSSY, but what would it be like in real life? - lol :P)

I'll see what i can save, but at the moment, i'm just scraping along, with my pay check (but IBM pays for my phone, and internet, and computers :D ) -
rent went up a few months ago.

I might be able to buy it some time this summer, but idk.

Lol, 100 Pounds for Microsoft XP? Just get your friends (about a month after he's instlled it), and install it on your computer - microsoft clears their database every month or something, but it's always worked for me - i don't care much for microsoft these days, (apart from flight sim tho. ) :-P

Boston234,
It's not the fact that i don't want it, it's the fact that if i bught it, i might not have enough money to pay the bills at the end of the month. - you see my point, but i'll see what happens with the rent here, if it goes any higher, i'm moving some where else. I did take over a year out of my life - just after i got out from high school - i volentered my work, to the development of a driving simulator, just to find out that the project manager, decided that he didnt want to fund the game engine any more, so, i basically 'threw away' a year of my life, at least FSP got to the BETA stages.

~Rushlink



Post Edited ( 05-06-06 06:54 )

[rushlink]

After re-reading those, i now see this from another perspective. It will still be a while before i buy it. Maby some time in the summer, because i
currently can't take the chanses of spending $40 on something, i could loose my apartment, or even not be able to drive my car for a week.

but i see this from another perspective, after reading Aibiria's message. Boston234's message didnt really help, i considered it a little agressive,
but that's okay.


Ivo,
I agree with you, that would be un fair, but when i was about 14, my parents bught me a bike from a bike shop, and a week later, they had a clearance
sale, and the bike was selling for almost 1/4 the price! I realise that life isn't fair, but i also understand what you mean.


~Rushlink

[runibl]

Hmm another "it's to expensive thread", there was one here http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/showth...5#pid22405

Well as i always say, everyone has the right for his own opinion.
In my opinion FsP is well worth the money and more.

But of course not everyone has the money to buy addons, unfortunately.
Some are in school and don't get money, and some barely has anything left after paying all the bills etc.

[Boston234]

Rushlink, yes, I know what you are saying. Here in the Boston area rent is unbelievable, and I won't mention how much a house goes for.

I guess it's because, for me, FSP has really changed FS9 from a game into a passion for me. In the last few months, I have gone from
someone who couldn't tell the difference between a c172 and a 747, to someone who flys FS9 as realistically as I can (still a lot to learn),
and to the extent possible as FS9 can provide. I.E. setting up flight plans, following stars and DP, estimating amounts of fuel, time,
using checklists when starting planes from cold and dark, etc.

And I credit FSP with breathing new life into FS9 just when I was becoming bored with FS9. Once I tried the demo of FSP and had to try
to land properly, since FSP would "grade" me, Fs9 stopped being a game, and instead became a fun, challenging Simulation. As well as
a fun learning expernece.

But I realize what you are saying.

Like i some times like to say..."If only I had been born a Gates :-)

[rushlink]

Boston234,
Yeah, I agree with you there, FSP has changed the way that we all play Flight Simulator.

Sorry, but for the moment i'm having ISP crashes, and my internet is un-reliable, so i wont' be able to monitior this thread very well.

so, thanks for everyones replies. I've decided to save, for when i've got enough, should be in a couple of months.

~Rushlink

[Overrated]

I agree it should be $20. I would likely buy it for that price, eventually. Look at it like this: FS2004 is $30 US. The add-on is about $40, and the
average new game is $50. I'm not the type of person to buy add-ons period (and the last time I bought shareware was in the late 90s!), but I was
considering this until I saw the price. I would NEVER pay more than the price of the actual game on a single add-on. I know Dan worked hard on it,
but, and I'm not trying to offend him (I think it is the best add-on for any game, ever), it is not worth the price of a new game, even if it brings
more life into an older one. Sorry, but I can't spend that amount of money. And I think piracy would be reduced if the price was lowered.

Just my two cents.

[kingfisher-blue]

Hi All,
Lets look at this from a different point of view. You can spend £20 or more attending a football match on a Saturday afternoon and
what do you get ? 90 minutes of entertainment. How many hours of enterainment do you get out of FSP. Certainly more than 90 minutes. I
have had endless hours of pleasure out of FSP and am still enjoying it and can go on enjoying it for many more hours.
We get tremendous support on this forum and Dan has been brilliant with updates and fixing errors. If Dan decides not to do any more
updates in the future I can honestly say I personally have had excellent value out of FSP and will continue to get it for as many hours as I
like. Not just 90 minutes. This is the best addon you could get, certainly the best I have purchased. It makes you learn to fly. You want to
fly with it. Thanks Dan for all the work you put in. It`s an addon thats well worth the money.
John

[JayKae]

Let us have a look, simmarket and Dan both had a selling system for a while, then Dan's system dropped to
AMEX only and Simmarket
took over the sales, so let us just say that I dunno, Simmarket has done 35% of ALL sales for FsPassengers.

Here is my point:

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5TH place in sales overall IF FsPassengers was too expensive it would have NEVER
made it to that rank.

and if you have a look in FsPassengers own category it is even 4th OUTSELLING classics like WideFS and
FlightSim Commander.

Too expensive? No, not at all, I would easily pay $100 for something like this. Quality in this day and age comes at
an expense and an
expense I am quite willing to pay.

[aristoteles]

I think that FsPAssengers is worth every cent that you pay for it. The problem for potential buyers is that there are no eye-candy screenshots,
spectacular visuals, nothing that would lead them to believe that FsP is what we (proud users) already know about its potential and fun.
If a potential FsP buyer had to choose between FsP and say, Flight Enviroment, no doubt those puffy clouds in the screenshots would win the race...

The great fact about FsP is that the fame of the product has been spread by the users, somehow trying to convince new users about the quality of this
add-on, even at AVSIM they seemed reluctant to review it,...