This is great Add-On ,but full of bugs...

[abdullah1980]

Dear Dan,

First of all , I would like to thank you for this great add-on , I really loved this
add on & I think it is changing the way we are using FS2004.

Last week I downloaded the DEMO version just to try it for a couple of weeks
before buying , but unfortunatly I was disapointed by the large number of bugs.

I thought it could be the cracked fs9.exe file ( I have the original FS2004 but I am
using this crack to keep my FS CDs in safe place not my system's CD drive), then
I completely formated my PC & reinstalled the FS2004 but no differense , the
game still buggy.. then I shift the game to my office PC & the same results here.

This is some of the problems I faced:

1) An emergincy occur during the flight , so if I declare a mayday , I will get panelty
for issuing a fake emergincy call, where there was a true emergency but not
detected by FSP. ( the emergincy system in FS2004 is already off).

2) When flying with speed accelerator X16 , then once you change it to Normal
speed (time acceleratior OFF) , the "fspassengers" option which is located next
to help option in the menu (alt button during the flight). this problem is rarly
happning but it is very discusting bug,since it is happining near to the destination.

3) One fine day I was talking to the tower, asking the permission for taxi & my
passengers are boarding then suddenly I am receiving a message telling
me that I had a crash at zero speed & zero vertical speed, just see the report:

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Flight MA539 End of flight report Date August 04 2005

Flight ID: MA539
Pilot: Abdullah M. Lahmadi
Company: World Travel
Aircraft: A310-304ET Emirates
Flight Date: August 04 2005
Departure: 20h14 (03h14 GMT)
Arrival: --
From: ----
To: ----
Nbr of Passengers: 1

Accident Report:

The aircraft crashed at 20h14 hitting ground at 0 kt with a vert. speed of 0 ft/m.
There were no known failures on this aircraft at the time of the accident.The
cause of the crash remains unknown but the weather conditions were bad at
the time of the crash. Probable causes to the accident are most likely human
error in bad weather. No emergency was declared before the crash.

Casualties:
-1 passengers aboard
-0 killed
-0 injured
-Pilot and flight crew were safe


Report:

Flight Distance: 0 Nm Landing Speed: --
Time Airborne: 00h00:00 Landing Touchdown: --
Flight Time (block): 00h00:00 Landing Pitch: --
Time On Ground: 00h00:00 Landing Weight: --
Average Speed: -- Total Fuel Used: 0 lbs
Max. Altitude: 0ft Fuel Not Used: 97311 lbs


Passenger Opinion: Terror and grief. (0%)


Crash Financial Report:

Taking into account the state of the aircraft and its current resale value after the crash.
The insurance company decided to pay a total of $0 which represents 0.00% of the
resale value. You can now decide to repair or sell the wreck. The insurance will
pay all other damages. The insurance rate increased by 0.00% and is now 4.32%.
Total Sim Income: $0

Company Reputation:

Due to the crash, your company reputation is now: 73% (-0.00 decrease)



Overall flight Results: No Flight (Flight will not be recorded)

Pilot's Penalty points: -850 points
Crash! You hit the ground with an impact speed of 0 ft/mn. There was no failure aboard
this aircraft before the crash and many passengers died because of pilot error. (-850)

Note: see the confilect between the Casualties & the Pilot's Penalty points (the RED colored).
#########################################################################


Even I tried the fs9_patch.exe file but no improvement.

Please Dan , help me in this issue.

Thank you very much,
Abdullah

[Ryanamur]

Hi abdullah1980,

I'll only touch point 1 and 3.

First, could you tell me if the co-pilot advised you that you had an emergency. If he didn't, the emergency was not generated by
FsPassengers and that's why you would have been penalized. The only exception I can think off is a rise in oil temperature... in this case,
the co-pilot won't advise you until the engine has failed.

For the crash, I only have one question: did Fs2004 indicate a crash? If yes, it's a Fs9 problem and not a FsP problem. If Fs2004 did not
indicate a crash, go to your FsPassengers\config folder. Edit you more_options.cfg file as follows:

DisableForceCrashDetection =1; // disable the "force crash detection" feature of FsP

This should solve your crash problem.

Good luck

Phil

[DanSteph]

Hello,

I'm glad that the list of "full of bug" end only with three item on wich two doesn't come from FsP...
there are some of course I'll not discuss this point I'm aware on most of them and working
on an upgrade. but considering the amount of work and code line (50'400) they are rare believe me.

Emergency:
if you get a failure in flight wich is not detected by FsP it must come from the aircraft himself,
be sure to know the aircraft you fly and to disable any failure.
If the author have set some gauge that give failure There is no way in the world to detect that.

The crash in flight:
FsP doesn't set any crash value during flight, it only FORCE the "crash detect" value of Fs2004
IF you have disabled it ONLY. (you can disable that in more_option.cfg file)

so two case:
You just started a FsP flight, your aircraft was wrongly positionned or there was a scenery glitch
and your Fs2004 crash detection disabled, As soon as FsP force the crash detection Fs2004 have
detected a crash because of scenery of whatewer.
not a bug usually you must have Fs2004 crash detection enabled to avoid that.
(there is no consistency to run an addon as FSP with Fs2004 crash detection disabled howewer)

If It happened in a midle of taxiing: I see no way for FsP to suddenly set the crash flag, in this case might
be an AFCAD problem (scenary problem) invisible house or invisible difference in height.

the inconsistency beetween crash report and death is due because it's a "bug crash" and not a normal crash...
induced bug in brief.

The x16 howewer is a true FsP bug, I'm working on this... to be informed about how the upgrade goes
please have a look at this post in "support forum":
http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/showth...p?tid=4874

Hope it explain ?

Dan



Post Edited ( 08-04-05 19:06 )

[abdullah1980]

Woooow ..too fast replies...

Thank you very much gentlmen for the your reply,


Emergency:
if you get a failure in flight wich is not detected by FsP it must come from the aircraft himself,
be sure to know the aircraft you fly and to disable any failure.
If the author have set some gauge that give failure There is no way in the world to detect that.


So it is the Aircraft , I had a great doubt about it from the begining but I was forced to use it
since there is a few A310 Emirates in the Web & there quality is bad.


so two case:
You just started a FsP flight, your aircraft was wrongly positionned or there was a scenery glitch
and your Fs2004 crash detection disabled, As soon as FsP force the crash detection Fs2004 have
detected a crash because of scenery of whatewer.
not a bug usually you must have Fs2004 crash detection enabled to avoid that.
(there is no consistency to run an addon as FSP with Fs2004 crash detection disabled howewer)

Infact it was parked at the gate 5D in San Fransisco airport, which I use usually, but my Fs2004 crash
detection is already enabled but the "Failures" is disabled (like engine failure during the flight).

Ok guys ... I will keep playing FS2004 with FSP even if there is a 100's of official bugs.

Dear Dan, you created an add-on that keeps me flying for 5~14 hours daily.. Thank you man.

P.S. : I think MS should officially thank you for this add-on , otherwise without FSP I was playing
FS2004 every 15 days for 1 or 2 hours maximum..

Dan, you are the man...

[Ryanamur]

abdullah1980 wrote:

Infact it was parked at the gate 5D in San Fransisco airport, which I use usually, but my Fs2004 crash
detection is already enabled but the "Failures" is disabled (like engine failure during the flight).

Is this using the default scenery or another one?

BTW: I totally agree with you... in fact I think that MS should pay Dan a 5% cut on the sales of all MS-FS2004 as of July 8th, 2005. Yes, I'm
kidding and I don't want all the MS lawyers to come after me!

[abdullah1980]

Ryanamur wrote:

Is this using the default scenery or another one?

BTW: I totally agree with you... in fact I think that MS should pay Dan a 5% cut on the sales of all MS-FS2004 as of July 8th, 2005. Yes, I'm
kidding and I don't want all the MS lawyers to come after me!

Yes Sir, It is the Default one.. I have no scenery installed....

[poden]

I use the no-CD "crack" (or whatever) with FSP, and don't experience any problems as a result. I also use time compression up to 16x, and haven't had
any difficulty with that either (I have turned off the 30% point penalty in the more_option.cfg; I have too many family responsibilites to play at
just 1x speed).

[fruitfly]

Just like what Abdullah had said, the same thing happened to me with PMDG 747 rolling down the rwy just before V1.
I was straight on the centerline, there was never any issue with the LDDU scenery addon up utill now and AI is off cause I wanted to check
VoxATC and practice touch-and-go's..Suddenly - a sound of collision, the view was changed to spot plane and than that dreadful
message.

It wasn't my fault - IT BROKE BY ITSELF!!! Honestly. My parents never believe me. but things tend to break when I'm close to them.
Only this time I have a proof - here :

Flight OU699 End of flight report Date 04 April 2005

Mode realistic - Flight not registered because there was no flight.


Flight ID: OU699
Pilot: Justin Tyme
Company: Croatia Airlines
Aircraft: PMDG - 747-400 GE CF6 Engines
Flight Date: 04 August 2005
Departure: 18h54 (16h55 GMT)
Arrival: --
From: LDDU - Dubrovnik - Croatia
To: ----
Nbr of Passengers: 236

Accident Report:

The aircraft crashed at 19h04 hitting ground at 106 kt with a vert. speed of 0 ft/m.
There were no known failures on this aircraft at the time of the accident.The cause of the crash remains unknown, most probably it was
due to human error. No emergency was declared before the crash.

Casualties:
-236 passengers aboard
-89 killed
-89 injured
-Pilot and flight crew were injured


Report:

Flight Distance: 0 Nm Landing Speed: --
Time Airborne: 00h00:00 Landing Touchdown: --
Flight Time (block): 00h08:20 Landing Pitch: --
Time On Ground: 00h11:28 Landing Weight: --
Average Speed: -- Total Fuel Used: 1602 lit.
Max. Altitude: 0ft Fuel Not Used: 56669 lit.


Passenger Opinion: Terror and grief. (0%)
-Were anxious because you aborted the take-off.


Crash Financial Report:

Taking into account the state of the aircraft and its current resale value after the crash. The insurance company decided to pay a total of
26'463'817€ which represents 20.19% of the resale value. You can now decide to repair or sell the wreck. The insurance will pay all
other
damages. The insurance rate increased by 0.76% and is now 6.06%.
Total Sim Income: 26'463'817€

Company Reputation:

Due to the crash, your company reputation is now: 65% (-8.63 decrease)



Overall flight Results: No Flight (Flight will not be recorded)

Pilot's Penalty points: -850 points
Crash! You hit the ground with an impact speed of 0 ft/mn. There was no failure aboard this aircraft before the crash and many passengers
died because of pilot error. (-850)

[fruitfly]

..............and the second time!!!!

The third time I tryed another airport in the vicinity and everything was honky dory. And tickety boo!

Obviously has nothing to do with FSP.

[poden]

MrBuilder wrote:
Let me correct your response. All is said that it get's boring at times. I don't want to sit on my PC for an 8 hr flight doing nothing. Is there a
way I can disable the simulation rate. I really don't want to lose 30% on all profits.

FsPassengers would be good for 1hr 30 min of flight but more than that ????

Also, I would not mind paying 100 or 200 dollars for the product. I would be very happy to pay for a product that comes close to realism.

Remember, you can disable the non-realtime 30% penalty by editing the options in file more_option.cfg (the more_option.cfg is mentioned in the "Tips
and Tricks from Beta Testers" at the top of this forum). I have disabled this penatly simply because I'm too busy with work & family to afford time
for real-time simming. Without this option, I'd be disappointed in the same way as you.



Post Edited ( 08-04-05 23:28 )