+- FsPassengers Forums (http://www.fspassengers.com/forum)
+-- Forum: FsPassengers (http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=3)
+--- Forum: FsPassengers General (http://www.fspassengers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?fid=4)
+--- Thread: About those nasty belly landings (/showthread.php?tid=2047)
Pages:
1
2
About those nasty belly landings - Kpeters - 17-05-2006
Ok guys i need you help :S
Everytime I attempt to belly land it goes completely wrong! I always land at 100-200 ft (kiss) landing and once the plane is skidding on the
runway I turn off the engines. When the plane halts, fsdetects crash.
If iremove the crash option the plane will bounce like crazy and fspassengers will detect the crash.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Konrad
.Re: About those nasty belly landings - Angel - 17-05-2006
Well... I'm not an expert but I think 100-200 ft/s is a "Kiss landing" only if you have the gears...
May be you still need to touch down more softly.
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Chris B. - 17-05-2006
About 2 weeks ago I had to belly land my Mooney Bravo because of stuck grear and it went well! FSP sure made things exciting and the
wife was even there to see it (she finds it a little nerve racking to use a product that makes the experience more real with real problems).
Anyway, with flaps full down and a very gentle decent rate I landed the bird. First thing was that the props stoped from hitting the ground
and then I had to keep an eye for the wings to remain level, sorta had the slight tendency to bank one side. I think I read somewhere
where someone had modified they aircrafts config file to keep the "base" of the plane touching the ground. You would think that if you can
slide to a stop that the bird should just stay there.
Oh well.... my 2 cents.
Chris B. in Iowa
Re: About those nasty belly landings - poden - 17-05-2006
Quote:Chris B. wrote:
About 2 weeks ago I had to belly land my Mooney Bravo because of stuck grear and it went well! FSP sure made things exciting and the
wife was even there to see it (she finds it a little nerve racking to use a product that makes the experience more real with real problems).
Anyway, with flaps full down and a very gentle decent rate I landed the bird. First thing was that the props stoped from hitting the ground
and then I had to keep an eye for the wings to remain level, sorta had the slight tendency to bank one side. I think I read somewhere
where someone had modified they aircrafts config file to keep the "base" of the plane touching the ground. You would think that if you can
slide to a stop that the bird should just stay there.
Oh well.... my 2 cents.
Chris B. in Iowa
Chris, what setting do you use for FS2004 crash detection (on or off)?
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Kpeters - 18-05-2006
Hmm quite weird since when I belly land Fspassengers seems to identify it well, but when i reach 0 knots speed it automaticaly detects
crash. Wheter crash detection is on or of in FS.
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Chris B. - 18-05-2006
I fly with crash detection on. At one point I had installed an add-on that enabled the crash features that come with FS9. Yes, FS9 has files
to enable wings to come off, fuselage to break and crumple, and even fire and smoke upon impact!!
At a later point I needed to completely uninstall FS9 due to what I think was a problematic add-on. I reinstalled just FS9 and FSP and
noticed that the crash features were still enabled. Hmm? perhaps the registry??/ I don't know what could be causing this but since
nothing's broken I'm not going to try and fix it. My FS9 with FSP works perfect now and I love it!!!
Kpeters really has a peculiar problem with crash detection even with it off in FS9. You should be able to enjoy the bouncy bounce of flying
with crash detection turned off and a belly scrap landing. Sounds still like a aircraft configuration file thing. Is KPeters plane a third party
add-on??
Peace!
Chris B. in Iowa
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Chris B. - 22-05-2006
Hey KPeters!
Over the weekend I only had a few minutes to try out some non-FSP belly landings. I tried with my Beechcraft Baron, just got it in the air,
turned around, kept the gear up, flaps down, nice and slow, errr... scrape, sparks..... CRASH! Huh.... thought I did a smooth one.... tried it
again same thing.....tried it without flaps...nope.... Tried another plane....nope....kept crashing.... can't get the plane to stop without crashing..... then I thought
I'd try my Mooney Bravo that I had done it with earlier.... Yes... this plane did it! I then tried crashing in to trees.... the Beechcraft stops
immediately when hitting an object, boo! Then the Bravo.... Yay! wings rip off, smoke comes out, fireball..
What I have decided is that my FS9 still somehow has an enabled file somewhere for the Bravo and none of the other planes. I've just
downloaded Flight Sim Manager as this was the product (Free) that enables the crash scenery to you planes. I theorize that this is what
lets you do a successfull belly landing. Again it's Flight SIm Manager. Give it a try and good luck! I'll post to this thread if it works!!!
Chris B. in Iowa
Post Edited ( 05-22-06 23:41 )
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Kpeters - 22-05-2006
Great! plase keep us posted!
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Chris B. - 24-05-2006
Well I installed Flight SIm Manager and got all the planes enabled to use their damage features with wings ripping off, smoke and
sparks flying. I thought for a moment that the Bombardier jet I was belly landing was going to make it as it was slowing down but like
before it sank in to the ground and CRASH!!
Does anyone know how to prevent the plane from sinking into the ground like that? I think that may be an issue that needs looking at. I
rember someone here in FSP had a third party plane thats nose wheel kept sinking. It involved getting into the configurations and setting
it so that the plane didn't sink anymore.... I'll keep looking into this issue and it's got me now griping about not being able to perform a
belly landing.
Anyone sucessfull at belly landings!!!?????
Chris B. in Iowa
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Chris B. - 24-05-2006
Hey KPeters,
I just found this pretty good article on how the contact points and scrape points work. I think that this could help in adjusting our planes to
be able to belly land.
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/index.php?loc=articles&page=cp
Give it a try... I will sometime but I'm really busy at the moment.
Chris B. in Iowa
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Chris B. - 25-05-2006
Last night I briefy tried changing the damage threshold settings for the scrape points (was about 800 fpm, set it to 1600 fpm) It seemed
to add a little bit more endurance for the belly skid but still resulted in a crash. I'm also going to try setting the points higher or lower and
increase the threshold even higher to like 3500 or even 5000 fpm.
I even looked in to the Bravo's folder to see what could possibly let it take a belly landing.
ANYONE ELSE FLUENT IN CHANGING THE SCRAPE POINTS?! We'd love to belly land all the planes we fly.
Chris B. in Iowa
Post Edited ( 05-25-06 17:42 )
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Kpeters - 25-05-2006
Nice, its great you are doing all this reaserch, im not a very pro editor myself so im a little bit hesitant about messing with the aircraft
editing :S.
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Chris B. - 26-05-2006
O.k.! I've got some good news for you and some bad news for me, kinda.
Last night I was jockeying around with the scrape points on the Beech Baron and for a while couldn't get anything to work. Just kept
crashing. I then thought "Why does the Bravo and Cessna Amphibian scrape points allow belly landings?" I then decided to just go into
the Bravo's aircraft folder, copy the #2 contact points (a #2 after the contact point number means that it's a scrape point, #1 means that it's
a wheel point, #3 and #4 are for things like water float,etc.). I then pasted these scrape points into the Baron's folder right after the ones
that were already there (in addition to, not replacing). I then had to change the numbers of the newly added points to keep them
sequential. So if your plane had 4 scrape points already with the last one listed as #7 you have to start the new ones at #8, then #9, etc.
YES!! The darn thing can now be belly landed! I then tried out the Douglas DC-3, YES! Again these Bravo points allow for the plane to
be belly landed. I even tried a high speed belly land with the DC-3 and it did crash after a bit of a skid but that was to be expected, due to
the high speed involved. I tried a stallout of the plane 30 ft from the ground and again a expected crash. So it's good to see that a hard or
fast belly land will result in a crash but a careful and gentle let down will result in sucess. Just what we want. I even tried one on terrain
(outside of Taos, New Mexico airport, that's where I'm at, at the moment) and still sucessful. I haven't tried out anything heavy like a
Boeing though. But I know that in the future when I get promoted and purchase bigger planes I'll be sure to first tweak the scrape points.
The bad news for me was that the crashing problem I was having with FSP, after tower handed me off to ground, following a landing
was back. The only add-on that I put into the system that could have caused this was the Flight Sim Manager. The way that I fixed this in
the past was to uninstall everything, reinstall and place back in my user database files for FSP (be sure that you backup those files!!!!). It's
o.k. for me to reinstall everything since I now know what works but a word to the wise is saying STAY AWAY FROM FLIGHT SIM
MANAGER!!! I stongly suspect that it's causing FS9 to crash when you're in FSP.
Other than that good luck on your aircraft file tweaks. Be sure to make a copy of the file for backup!!! This is the least stressful way to go
about making changes like this. Once you learn to do it once it seems really easy. I'm happy to have learned how to do this in the past
few days. If you need some help on tweaking those scrape points just let us know, I'll be happy to help!
It's refeshing to know that if the gear fails you can stand the chance of a successfull belly land!
Chris B. in Iowa
Post Edited ( 05-26-06 18:49 )
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Serviceman - 26-05-2006
The MAAM B-25J Briefing Time will belly land, and with awesome spark effects in external view. Did anybody else check the external
view when they bellied?
Re: About those nasty belly landings - Kpeters - 26-05-2006
Thanks for all the info Chris :D lets hope we can all belly land peacefully now.